SHARMA: It was actually both China and India, as you saw from the interventions, that wanted to see a change in language when it came to fossil fuels and the issue on coal. SHAPIRO: This was introduced by India, just to clarify. And even on the issue of coal, where we had a wording change from phase out to phase down of coal domestically by every country, that is a historic first. And my disappointment was actually not with what was achieved because I think what was achieved is historic. I think firstly to say that I do think what we got over the line collectively, actually, as a global community, was historic. Can you tell us what your inner monologue was? What was going through your head? SHAPIRO: It was clear you were emotional in that moment. But I think, as you have noted, it's also vital that we protect this package. I also understand the deep disappointment.
SHARMA: I apologize for the way this process has unfolded, and I'm deeply sorry. And you recognized that this agreement does fall short of what many scientists and activists have said is necessary. But before we do, just to take stock of how the Glasgow summit concluded, in those final hours, you spoke to the delegates. And that's why to strengthen the pulse, we're going to have to work very hard to ensure that all of those commitments that countries have made are delivered upon. And in fact, I've said that the pulse of this is weak. SHARMA: I certainly agree that we have managed to keep 1.5 alive.
After Glasgow, some experts have said that 1.5-degree goal is alive but on life support. The Glasgow Climate Pact reaffirms the goal of the 2015 Paris Agreement, which was to keep global temperatures from increasing more than 1.5 degrees Celsius from pre-industrial levels. SHAPIRO: The tower wobbled but didn't collapse. And there is a potential for the whole thing to collapse. And in these multilateral processes, it just needs one country to pull out one piece. SHARMA: So what we were doing on this COP is building, you know, effectively a tower of commitments. SHAPIRO: That's the tabletop game where you pull one piece at a time from a rickety tower of wooden blocks. I mean, perhaps a more appropriate description is this game, Jenga. He's president of COP26, the 26th United Nations Climate Change Conference, which wrapped up in Glasgow, Scotland, last month.ĪLOK SHARMA: I've talked about this being a game of multidimensional chess where there are so many moving parts. What's it like trying to get nearly 200 countries to agree on something? Well, Alok Sharma recently found out.
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